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JWTalk Forums - Interchange of Encouragement Anything related to our faith, meetings, ministry, the Bible, and our whole association of brothers. The Interchange is a theocratic discussion forum for Jehovahs Witnesses. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/list.php?10 Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:16:55 -0600 Phorum 5.2.14 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77900#msg-77900 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77900#msg-77900

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i am from Haiti and all Haitian know about Zombification!!!! As much as we try to not pay attention to it but you would still hear about it!!!!!

This has been an interesting discussion. I love to hear the viewpoint of those from different countries, cultures, and backgrounds. :yes:

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So your zombies don't eat brains? What wimps!

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Loved the zombie smiley! :lol2:]]> Alphaeus Interchange of Encouragement Sat, 28 Jan 2012 01:50:43 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77894#msg-77894 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77894#msg-77894

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yeah how can any one with a red flashing light coming out of their head....make fun of anyone.....:dance:

LOL...tell me about it...I make him turn that thing off at night so I can get some sleep!! :borg:

So do you let him go to sleep with his shoes on or does he stand all night plugged in barefoot to regenerate? :borg:]]> lynn Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:12:13 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77893#msg-77893 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77893#msg-77893

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yeah how can any one with a red flashing light coming out of their head....make fun of anyone.....:dance:

LOL...tell me about it...I make him turn that thing off at night so I can get some sleep!! :borg:

:lol2:

I always say a prayer for you!]]> destiny Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:43:16 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77891#msg-77891 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77891#msg-77891

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yeah how can any one with a red flashing light coming out of their head....make fun of anyone.....:dance:

LOL...tell me about it...I make him turn that thing off at night so I can get some sleep!! :borg:]]> Mrs. Musky Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:07:19 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77889#msg-77889 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77889#msg-77889

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yeah how can any one with a red flashing light coming out of their head....make fun of anyone.....:dance:

LOL, very true! :tongue:]]> Musky Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:52:52 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77888#msg-77888 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77888#msg-77888

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what is the FDS? Is it the governing body??? IN french, we called them " l'esclave" hence why i translated it as the slave

yeah how can any one with a red flashing light coming out of their head....make fun of anyone.....:dance:]]> destiny Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:51:58 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77482,77887#msg-77887 Re: Preaching in the New World http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77482,77887#msg-77887

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So Destinys comment was out of place....OK.Sorry I was commenting on her comment.
i did not comment as such I referenced a scripture...the scripture does not apply to what we are talking about? Rev 20:7,8? ---break it down for me nancy......i may be slow today...

No, it doesn't. Rev 20: 7,8 is speaking of AFTER the thousand year reign, we were talking about during the thousand year reign. While we teach the resurrected ones, before they or we reach perfection.
yes but many of these ones are the same ones who had been stubborn and stiff necked, during the thousand year reign.--the bottom line is that they would die, and there will be a large number.

The ones who are "stubborn and stiff necked" during the thousand year reign will die before they reach perfection. The ones that Rev 20: 7.8 is referring to are those that have reached perfection and Satan is able to turn away from Jehovah as he did Adam and Eve, two perfect people. Two different sets of individuals.

this is like which comes first--the chicken or the egg--losing the original point....:P

The Original post was about "preaching in the new world" . David said:

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The ressuscited one... can you imagine one telling : "there is no God !!!" ?
"Come on, you are back from the dead !"

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I know...but I can't help thinking...that wouldn't there be something in the person...not wanting to do Jehovah's will ...even before Satan is let loose...
for the rest I would think it would be easy...

So we were all talking about teaching the resurrected ones about Jehovah and what would happen if they didn't accept him then. You brought up Rev:20: 7.8 which does not talk about that. Otherwise, we are on topic! :)]]> Musky Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:50:45 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77886#msg-77886 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77886#msg-77886

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i believe it is a good thing also sister!!! if you cannot carry out your responsability, you have to step down. But i think the brother was not getting there
He was talking about searching for help without losing your responsability. Just like you would go to a financial adviser if you wanted some financial counsels.

I think each situation would be evaluated at the time. I don't think you can make a "rule" for this that applies to everyone.

If a brother though was struggling with say PTSD, and he wanted to be an elder and the elders decided that he wasn't ready, again, I don't think that is to be a punishment. I think it's to let the brother focus on getting the help for his PTSD first before he serves. Elders are so incredibly busy, they do so much more then any of us realize, and if a brother is struggling with a issue that requires therapy, then serving as an elder at the same time may prevent him from focusing on getting the therapy/help he needs for his problem.]]> ava Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:47:23 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77885#msg-77885 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77885#msg-77885 predicateur" is "publisher". I would never translate it like that. THe worst is that i am not going into an english congregation but rather in a Haitian creole one which used to be French. So it will take me time to know those terms. But Thanks!!!!!]]> angel91604 Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:46:33 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77882#msg-77882 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77882#msg-77882 He was talking about searching for help without losing your responsability. Just like you would go to a financial adviser if you wanted some financial counsels.]]> angel91604 Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:40:59 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77482,77881#msg-77881 Re: Preaching in the New World http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77482,77881#msg-77881

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So Destinys comment was out of place....OK.Sorry I was commenting on her comment.
i did not comment as such I referenced a scripture...the scripture does not apply to what we are talking about? Rev 20:7,8? ---break it down for me nancy......i may be slow today...

No, it doesn't. Rev 20: 7,8 is speaking of AFTER the thousand year reign, we were talking about during the thousand year reign. While we teach the resurrected ones, before they or we reach perfection.
yes but many of these ones are the same ones who had been stubborn and stiff necked, during the thousand year reign.--the bottom line is that they would die, and there will be a large number.

this is like which comes first--the chicken or the egg--losing the original point....:P]]> destiny Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:40:11 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77880#msg-77880 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77880#msg-77880

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what is the FDS? Is it the governing body??? IN french, we called them " l'esclave" hence why i translated it as the slave

oops I thought Chuck left.]]> faith84 Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:39:33 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77879#msg-77879 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77879#msg-77879

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what is the FDS? Is it the governing body??? IN french, we called them " l'esclave" hence why i translated it as the slave

Almost the same here, FDS= Faithful and Discreet slave class.

I'm sorry if I made you think I was making fun of you, I was having fun with whole "Zombie" idea, not making fun of you personally. :tongue:]]> Musky Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:39:24 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77878#msg-77878 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77878#msg-77878 IN french, we called them " l'esclave" hence why i translated it as the slave]]> angel91604 Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:32:29 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77877#msg-77877 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77877#msg-77877 Here is what wikipedia says under the article zombie:

In 1937, while researching folklore in Haiti, Zora Neale Hurston encountered the case of a woman who appeared in a village, and a family claimed she was Felicia Felix-Mentor, a relative who had died and been buried in 1907 at the age of 29. Hurston pursued rumors that the affected persons were given a powerful psychoactive drug, but she was unable to locate individuals willing to offer much information. She wrote:
“ What is more, if science ever gets to the bottom of Voodoo in Haiti and Africa, it will be found that some important medical secrets, still unknown to medical science, give it its power, rather than gestures of ceremony.[4] ”

Several decades later, Wade Davis, a Harvard ethnobotanist, presented a pharmacological case for zombies in two books, The Serpent and the Rainbow (1985) and Passage of Darkness: The Ethnobiology of the Haitian Zombie (1988). Davis traveled to Haiti in 1982 and, as a result of his investigations, claimed that a living person can be turned into a zombie by two special powders being entered into the blood stream (usually via a wound). The first, coup de poudre (French: 'powder strike'), includes tetrodotoxin (TTX), a powerful and frequently fatal neurotoxin found in the flesh of the pufferfish (order Tetraodontidae). The second powder consists of dissociative drugs such as datura. Together, these powders were said to induce a death-like state in which the will of the victim would be entirely subjected to that of the bokor. Davis also popularized the story of Clairvius Narcisse, who was claimed to have succumbed to this practice.
The process described by Davis was an initial state of death-like suspended animation, followed by re-awakening—typically after being buried—into a psychotic state. The psychosis induced by the drug and psychological trauma was hypothesised by Davis to re-inforce culturally-learned beliefs and to cause the individual to reconstruct their identity as that of a zombie, since they "knew" they were dead, and had no other role to play in the Haitian society. Societal reinforcement of the belief was hypothesized by Davis to confirm for the zombie individual the zombie state, and such individuals were known to hang around in graveyards, exhibiting attitudes of low affect.
Davis' claim has been criticized, particularly the suggestion that Haitian witch doctors can keep “zombies” in a state of pharmacologically induced trance for many years.[5] Symptoms of TTX poisoning range from numbness and nausea to paralysis (particularly of the muscles of the diaphragm), unconsciousness, and death, but do not include a stiffened gait or a death-like trance. According to psychologist Terence Hines, the scientific community dismisses tetrodotoxin as the cause of this state, and Davis' assessment of the nature of the reports of Haitian zombies is viewed as overly credulous.[6]
Scottish psychiatrist R. D. Laing highlighted the link between social and cultural expectations and compulsion, in the context of schizophrenia and other mental illness, suggesting that schizogenesis may account for some of the psychological aspects of zombification.[7]

I thought it was finally explained scientificallly but it seems not. But schizophrenia REALLY!!!!!! :perplexed: HOw can schizophrenai makes you look completely dead i do not know!!!!!!!!! Hey!!! i am not here to bring some new beliefs!!! we have been raised in different contexts!!!!!!!!!!! Those things are considered as spiritism where i am. THe brain eating thing derived from those accounts back home!!!!!!]]> angel91604 Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:27:36 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77876#msg-77876 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77876#msg-77876
If an elder is struggling with something serious and he needs help, then he needs to get the help. Asking him to step down is a loving thing, not a punishment. The brothers want their fellow brother to take care of himself! If he is busy doing all the elder duties, he may not be able to take the time to help himself. So why is that a terrible thing?

I have known many elders over the years who have stepped down due to personal reasons. Many times, several years later, they are appointed an elder again. They took the time they needed to take care of whatever problem they were dealing with, now that it's taken care of, they can be ready to serve again.

A man needs to be responsible for his family and himself first. If there is a problem, he should step down to focus on that. It's not meant to punish, but instead it's meant to give the brother the time he needs so he can dedicate himself to taking care of whatever the problem is.

I personally don't see this as a terrible thing, imo.]]> ava Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:25:19 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77482,77875#msg-77875 Re: Preaching in the New World http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77482,77875#msg-77875

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So Destinys comment was out of place....OK.Sorry I was commenting on her comment.
i did not comment as such I referenced a scripture...the scripture does not apply to what we are talking about? Rev 20:7,8? ---break it down for me nancy......i may be slow today...

No, it doesn't. Rev 20: 7,8 is speaking of AFTER the thousand year reign, we were talking about during the thousand year reign. While we teach the resurrected ones, before they or we reach perfection.

yes but many of these ones are the same ones who had been stubborn and stiff necked, during the thousand year reign.--the bottom line is that they would die, and there will be a large number.

The ones who are "stubborn and stiff necked" during the thousand year reign will die before they reach perfection. The ones that Rev 20: 7.8 is referring to are those that have reached perfection and Satan is able to turn away from Jehovah as he did Adam and Eve, two perfect people. Two different sets of individuals.]]> Musky Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:22:33 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77874#msg-77874 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77874#msg-77874
[attachment 4366 zom.gif]]]> Musky Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:14:56 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77871#msg-77871 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77871#msg-77871 angel91604 Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:06:00 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77870#msg-77870 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77870#msg-77870 Hey!! but i hear of it in Florida!!!!!! Do not know if it true!!!! But the thing is there is no Zombie per se just probably people put in a coma state.]]> angel91604 Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:02:21 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77869#msg-77869 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77869#msg-77869

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I mean in my country there is something famous. MAKING ZOMBIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it is quite real!!!

You're from Brooklyn, right? I knew New York was weird, but they make Zombies there?? :tongue:]]> Musky Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:59:18 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77867#msg-77867 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77867#msg-77867

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Clearly, the slave shows that he thinks spiritism include Hypnosis

By "he" you mean the FDS as a body right?

If they feel that way, then I do too. They have nothing to gain by taking this position, they are looking out for our spiritual welfare.]]> Musky Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:56:11 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77865#msg-77865 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77865#msg-77865
Personally I normally will not do something because I am ordered to; because somebody says that something is a rule from the publications or of the brothers. I try to respond to how I feel about obeying Jehovah and the brothers, out of my heart because I love them and I don't want to stumble or offend them. It is ground into me, in my mindset, that I must do the research for myself before I'm convinced of a matter and once that becomes accomplished, I make my choices accordingly. Jehovah holds us personally responsible for our choices and you reap what you sew. So, IF somebody were to choose hypnotism as a procedure medically, well, that is their choice. It's not for me to say, no matter how I feel personally. Jehovah is the judge, not me!]]> edlittlefield Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:53:23 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77864#msg-77864 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77864#msg-77864 I mean in my country there is something famous. MAKING ZOMBIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it is quite real!!! people who seem to have died were brought back to life later on. Sometimes, quite some years later, however i remenber watching a documentary about it which said that it was a simple plant which did it. The plant put you in a coma state near death and you can bring that person to life later on ( Warning!!! i was not baptized when i saw that documentary!!!:sweat:).
For sure, in my country, nobody would try this plant because it is used by sorcerers but nothing said those scientist did not further their research and used it in anesthesia today. The plant has nothing spiritual but the context it is being used render it as such. Same may be with the Egyptians. I need more info on this one to know if the Egyptians explained how they did it. Also, if they said the truth about their practice ( i mean you would not give away your farce that easily!!!) Many things in the past have been related to sorcery but commonly used today not as such.
However, caution is advised. I would still say to not use Hypnosis before we have more info on it. But i still do not see the relation to spiritism.]]> angel91604 Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:53:01 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77863#msg-77863 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77863#msg-77863
Hypnotism and Occultism—Is There a Link?
Is the claim that hypnotism is linked to the occult just a figment of someone’s imagination? Fantasy tales in movies and novels may have nurtured the idea, but the connection between hypnotism and spiritism has a real basis. Regarding hypnotism, the Encyclopedia of Occultism and Parapsychology explains: “Its history is inextricably interwoven with occultism.” Religious trances, which have been a part of sorcery and magic throughout history, are commonly viewed as a form of hypnosis. Also, the priests in ancient Egypt and Greece induced a type of hypnotic state when trying to cure illnesses in the name of their false gods.

So, in Bible times, false religions did this in the name of their gods. Right there shows, to me, spiritism. I have a friend that used to be a "white witch" or Wiccan. She told my wife and I that the interesting thing about hypnotism is, you CANNOT be told to do something, that you would not do otherwise.

For example, if you would NEVER rape someone, someone cannot hypnotize you to do that.]]> Micah Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:34:47 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77862#msg-77862 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77862#msg-77862

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you said that under life and death cicumstances, a brother may have to make a choice but the moset logical choice would be to die as in the case of transfusion. This is what the watchtower november 15 2005 under the article name " How real is the devil to you?" says:
"Satan employs such devices as fortune-telling, astrology, hypnotism, witchcraft, palmistry, and magic to attract and entrap people around the world."

Clearly, the slave shows that he thinks spiritism include Hypnosis but i have yet to find an article that clearly define why.:unsure:
I mean our understanding of spiritism changed over the past centuries, not only for Witnesses but for the world also. In the past, you will be accused of wicthcraft just by making some herbal medicines. Now do we consider it as such? See what i am saying!!!! As long as i cannothave a clear and comprehensible comprehension on this one, i will still have doubts. But i do understand your unwillingness to discuss such matter because it came from the slave. However, as much i will apply the rule, that does not mean in my heart i accept it.
It is just like a story a brother told me. He went once to the bethel and saw a well educated brother who was cleaning a restroom. He commanded the brother for doing so and said that it is proof of humility. However, the brother told him that he did not do it out of humility but because he did not have a choice. He cannot see himself refusing an assignment. This taught the brother something. As a witness, you do things because you have to do it and that it is. This how i feel also about Hypnosis.

Hey!!!! i like discussion and i will bring this one to my elders for more info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!B) :secret:

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My understanding is that one would leave himself or herself open to demon influence when under hypnosis.

It might be (or might not be) that hypnosis is spiritism. If I felt it is after I thoroughly researched it, then I wouldn't personally do it. However, my understanding has been that you would be leaving yourself unprotected and Jehovah might not be there for us if we forfeit caution and warning. It would certainly be a subject I would approach the body of elders about (but then, that is just how I feel).

Who knows though, that under certain serious life or death circumstances a brother may choose to allow it. As the publication pointed out,... ultimately it would be his own decision, along with his own risk. As I pointed out before though,... "when in doubt, do without" is a good rule of thumb.

I just hope I never have to face that issue.

If you get an answer I'd like to hear it,my counselor does this also.She already told me.I need to read more on it to.]]> faith84 Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:29:12 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77861#msg-77861 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77861#msg-77861 "Satan employs such devices as fortune-telling, astrology, hypnotism, witchcraft, palmistry, and magic to attract and entrap people around the world."

Clearly, the slave shows that he thinks spiritism include Hypnosis but i have yet to find an article that clearly define why.:unsure:
I mean our understanding of spiritism changed over the past centuries, not only for Witnesses but for the world also. In the past, you will be accused of wicthcraft just by making some herbal medicines. Now do we consider it as such? See what i am saying!!!! As long as i cannothave a clear and comprehensible comprehension on this one, i will still have doubts. But i do understand your unwillingness to discuss such matter because it came from the slave. However, as much i will apply the rule, that does not mean in my heart i accept it.
It is just like a story a brother told me. He went once to the bethel and saw a well educated brother who was cleaning a restroom. He commanded the brother for doing so and said that it is proof of humility. However, the brother told him that he did not do it out of humility but because he did not have a choice. He cannot see himself refusing an assignment. This taught the brother something. As a witness, you do things because you have to do it and that it is. This how i feel also about Hypnosis.

Hey!!!! i like discussion and i will bring this one to my elders for more info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!B) :secret:

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My understanding is that one would leave himself or herself open to demon influence when under hypnosis.

It might be (or might not be) that hypnosis is spiritism. If I felt it is after I thoroughly researched it, then I wouldn't personally do it. However, my understanding has been that you would be leaving yourself unprotected and Jehovah might not be there for us if we forfeit caution and warning. It would certainly be a subject I would approach the body of elders about (but then, that is just how I feel).

Who knows though, that under certain serious life or death circumstances a brother may choose to allow it. As the publication pointed out,... ultimately it would be his own decision, along with his own risk. As I pointed out before though,... "when in doubt, do without" is a good rule of thumb.

I just hope I never have to face that issue.

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It might be (or might not be) that hypnosis is spiritism. If I felt it is after I thoroughly researched it, then I wouldn't personally do it. However, my understanding has been that you would be leaving yourself unprotected and Jehovah might not be there for us if we forfeit caution and warning. It would certainly be a subject I would approach the body of elders about (but then, that is just how I feel).

Who knows though, that under certain serious life or death circumstances a brother may choose to allow it. As the publication pointed out,... ultimately it would be his own decision, along with his own risk. As I pointed out before though,... "when in doubt, do without" is a good rule of thumb.

I just hope I never have to face that issue.]]> edlittlefield Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:50:14 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77482,77856#msg-77856 Re: Preaching in the New World http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77482,77856#msg-77856

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So Destinys comment was out of place....OK.Sorry I was commenting on her comment.

i did not comment as such I referenced a scripture...the scripture does not apply to what we are talking about? Rev 20:7,8? ---break it down for me nancy......i may be slow today...

I thought musky was saying it didn't apply to the topic.I am the slow one..he said that wasn't the topic what I said,in talking about the scripture you mentioned.I thought I was following the topic with my comment about Rev.20:7,8 I guess I wasn't.]]> faith84 Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:37:45 -0600 http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77855#msg-77855 Re: Should JW's go to a psychiatrist?. http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,77811,77855#msg-77855
I'm not quite sure how we got off onto hypnotism per say because it isn't the rule for psychiatrists to use, rather the exception.

The main point is "when in doubt, do without." The issue here is that anyone seeking outside help isn't necessarily weak in their faith. For someone to make the blatant statement that a person would be spiritually disqualified from appointment if they went to a psychiatrist is just out of line. Also, the same would hold true if they were on a regulated medication whereby their mood is changed. The real question is this, ... just because we get sick and go to a professional for assistance, are we actually not placing our trust in Jehovah by using some other means other than the publications, scriptures and prayer?

I think not! I feel very strongly about this subject because I take it as a personal affront because I have had to (and still do) have treatment from both psychiatrists and psychologists. Never have they directed me in any fashion or way that has been out of line with my faith and trust in Jehovah. And if they were to,... I would simply decline.]]> edlittlefield Interchange of Encouragement Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:33:34 -0600